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PostSubject: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:17 am

well to me communism has gone form the only way, to a great idea, then just supporting it, then saying its to perfect to work, right now its an interesting idea. Its not realistic, I am not an anti communist, and i will defend communist against attacks as i do for the capitalists.

for now i am between socialist and Social democrat, always a tad left though, always.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:03 am

Communism is a social or economic organization that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society.

It has nothing to do with government.

SOME forms of SOCIALISM (a phase into communism) have to do with government.


So no one should say "No, I'm not socialist. I'm communist" or "No, I'm not communist, I'm socialist".
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:32 am

Most incorrectly refer to communism as that Marxist tolitarian state, but it's not, unless your talking to one of them who supports it, than they usually don't even acknowledge other types of communism, or so i have noticed.

Im sorry that you had to lose faith in it bro, i was a trotskyist and it was hard letting go, social democrat is not all that bad though!
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:48 am

I lost my faith in communism before i even studied it.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:32 am

sill, that's depressing =/

and sorry you lost your faith! (those two covered any critical comments i might have made)

i have a social democratic friend at school...he supports obama =[
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:25 pm

Communism is just a big dream, ofcourse it sounds great but evry country that TRIED to reach it FAILED HARD!

Its just so dumb and a liberal i won't let it happen!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:02 am

country's trying to achieve communism still accomplished some of the most impressive things ever. still its just a dream
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:55 am

They also achieved some of the worst humanitarian crisises in history.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:58 am

much as most European empires did.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:54 am

eh, the problem with all that, from my standpoint, is that a government tried to force the change in every place that it failed internally.

it must be a grassroots movement for it to succeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:10 am

Communism has never failed, for it has never been tried. :]

Now of course it has, but what I mean by this is that COUNTRIES have attempted STATE socialism, in forms of socioeconomic philosophies like Marxism.

Communism is the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society.
Socialism is the process of getting there, there are many different types of socialists: anarchists, autonomists, syndicalists, council communists, Marxists, etc.

All failed "communist" countries have tried Marxism. I put communist in quotes because there has never been a communist country.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:19 am

KenCat1337 wrote:
Communism has never failed, for it has never been tried. :]

Now of course it has, but what I mean by this is that COUNTRIES have attempted STATE socialism, in forms of socioeconomic philosophies like Marxism.

Communism is the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society.
Socialism is the process of getting there, there are many different types of socialists: anarchists, autonomists, syndicalists, council communists, Marxists, etc.

All failed "communist" countries have tried Marxism. I put communist in quotes because there has never been a communist country.

Marxist countries have always failed, though. and yet it still has legions of followers and sympathisers? wtf?
i beileve that communism (as in the form it should be protrayed) is a awesome society! But not compatible, expecially when the first steps are a marxist dictatorship. communism is evitable
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PostSubject: Re: Lost all faith in communism   Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:18 am

Sill wrote:
KenCat1337 wrote:
Communism has never failed, for it has never been tried. :]

Now of course it has, but what I mean by this is that COUNTRIES have attempted STATE socialism, in forms of socioeconomic philosophies like Marxism.

Communism is the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society.
Socialism is the process of getting there, there are many different types of socialists: anarchists, autonomists, syndicalists, council communists, Marxists, etc.

All failed "communist" countries have tried Marxism. I put communist in quotes because there has never been a communist country.

Marxist countries have always failed, though. and yet it still has legions of followers and sympathisers? wtf?
i beileve that communism (as in the form it should be protrayed) is a awesome society! But not compatible, expecially when the first steps are a marxist dictatorship. communism is evitable

Well you see, that's why I oppose MARXISM and other forms of STATE socialism, but not communism itself.
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