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PostSubject: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:07 am

communism, in ideaological sense, is a great philosphy, i mean its equal, justifiyable, moral, etcetc.
but in reality, its not.

Let's look in history, shall we?
USSR - Under Lenins rule, marxist socialism was amazing, worked perfectly, than one bad leader got in,(AKA Stalin) and everything got screwed up, people executed, killed, and purged because of opposition or because of free speech

China - Mao, Cultural Revolution killed millions, the revolution killed thousands, the following years to come? Billions of peoples freedoms...

North Korea - Worked at first, than declined, now were with a cult of personality Kim Jong maniac.

Laos and Vietnam = Fake communism, more like dictatorship.

Cuba - ONLY working socialist country. it is alittle police controlled, but not too bad, hopefully it stays this way or at least gets changed before a bad leader comes in.

So... Communism works, IF the leader is good, but that's just it, freedom of speech is gone, and elections are gone, so you can't always get a good leader, and if you get a bad leader he will give it too another bad leader...and down it goes.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:28 am

ussr was a lot better than your stupid little french empire which was squashed by invaders. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:06 am

communism doesnt work because of the flawed nature of humans. it limits oppertunities and it is exactly this state that gives the rise of dictatorships.

even the theory isnt good because, on a purely theoretical basis, its still theft.

also cuba isnt a very good country and its not even close to the socailist ideal, because then why does castro have like 100 times as much as everyone else, and tourists get ttreated better than citizens?
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:16 am

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ussr was a lot better than your stupid little french empire which was squashed by invaders. lol!

Yes...because a evil ruling dictator that kills everyone who is against him is better than a free speech society with a few military flaws.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:49 am

.....

hm....

funny, i've got this dictionary here that says communism is a "stateless, classless society"....and...all those states you listed you say are communist?

or maybe you define "state" differently from me?

i wish teachers didn't make shit up at schools about what communism is *sigh*

if you want an example of communism, look up the paris commune dude.

just so you know: if there is a dictator, its not communism. its not socialism. its just an autocratic state.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:54 am

You know what i mean, don't change the subject. They all mean the same type of Marxist Socialism that Marx thought of, their states that want to achieve communism.

but your an anarchist, arent you like, suppose to be against dictatorships? than why defend this
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:05 pm

because i'm nickpicky like this and us comrades have to stick together? dude, idk, i felt like it!!!

besides, i'm an anarcho-communist, i believe that the dictatorship of the proles stage with a state is far too dangerous and unnecessary =D

yeah, i know, you mean socialist states, but its not socialism, like i said, if there is a dictator its not socialism.

socialism cannot be separated from democracy.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:17 pm

"besides, i'm an anarcho-communist, i believe that the dictatorship of the proles stage with a state is far too dangerous and unnecessary =D"

we have common ground!
But really, communists are as much of "comrades" to you as us righties.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:26 pm

i consider myself a commie *sniffle* lol

technically, that's where the first use of anarchism as a political philosophy comes from!

HISTORY LESSON FOR NO APPARENT REASON: so, one day, there were commies who all wanted to work together in something called the Internationale, and they all wanted to work with workers across the borders of europe and the atlantic to create a stateless classless society known as communism! they disagreed on how to get there though. one side held that it was necessary for a transitory period, run democratically by the workers, to reallocate private capital into public hands. once this job was finished, this democratic workers state would no longer be needed and would wither away. the other side held that the first side was being retarded if they could think for even a second that people with power magically disappeared, and that the only way for a major change to occur would be through a mass movement of the people.

the first side is obviously marx's state socialists, and the other side is bakunin's anarchists ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:55 pm

well i guess we should kill everyone and make robots and you can be in charge
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:57 pm

....where the fuck do you get off saying that? seriously, because, if it gives you some kind of high to troll like that, be my guest, otherwise, make a real argument. -_-
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:00 pm

i'm just saying how communism works.

but you can jus be dictator and just control them. but robots are better. dont kill until you make them comrade!
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:02 pm

...get off the computer and read a book, dude. i promise it won't kill you, you might even figure out exactly how far up your own ass you are.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:06 pm

nooooooo history proves otherwise
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:08 pm

*rolls eyes* yes, HISTORY, let's go to HISTORY to prove things for us, THAT always works...

OH WAIT, history is only a subjective story tailored to fit the needs of the majority in whatever area it is being taught!
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:10 pm

i guess say that to the victims of communist oppression. it's subjective that they died????? it's subjective that the USSR was imperalist? it was an empire, and that's proven.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:16 pm

no, its just that history is very faulty, for example, you base your argument off of the idea that the USSR was communist.

it wasn't. it never called itself communist. it was ruled by the "communist party", but it ALWAYS referred to itself as "socialist".

and, by definition, neither of these terms are correct.

you can't assume that after a major attempt failed and then permeated its disgusting ideas that the ideal has proved itself unworkable.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:21 pm

the goal was to create communism. communism/socialism are both of the same goal. what were they striving for then?

give me an example of all successful communist attempts.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:37 pm

name all the successful attempts at destroying slavery in the u.s. before the civil war.
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:44 pm

maybe the reason why communist doesnt woek is because people like having choices and lots of stuff? it wont work with that mentality (ie human nature).
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:49 pm

communism is freedom for everyone. like i said, read a book. besides your textbook
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:51 pm

no its freedom for those at the top

for everyone else its crap
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:54 pm

no, that's called an autocratic bureaucracy, or...capitalism. lol
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:07 pm

thats the inevitable result of communism
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PostSubject: Re: communism doesnt work   Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:12 pm

yes, and the inevitable result of any slave revolt in the u.s. was failure until the civil war. your point?
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