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PostSubject: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:54 am

If you seriously had to pick between one, which one would you pick?
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:47 pm

If I had to choose between Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany, i would choose the former (not that any seem appealing, personally dont like having my freedoms taken away), but NS is fascism, i think. strong nationalism/patrionism run by the elite, strong military, strong sense of superiority and inferiority, a desire to bring back empires, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:22 pm

fascism, Nazism is just fascism + racism and bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:26 pm

Facism.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:02 am

Ooh, goody -- this sounds like the US Elections!

McCain = racist, fascist.
Obama = fascist. lol

If I was FORCED to vote (lol), I would rather die.

If I have to pick for the sake of argument, I would pick a fascist government because at least they don't try to cover up what they're doing, they try to justify it (like a Republican). This way, lies are seen more easily and a revolution is more easily in place.. Like the one against Pilar Primo de Rivera in Spain! Ah, so romantic. lol

Besides, racism is discriminatory and regular fascism isn't. That way, all of the people are against the oppressors. :]
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:49 pm

KenCat you know, like 70-80 years before this time, in my country you HAD to vote, otherwise you get a ticket xDD

But why is McCain a racist??

(Nope i'm not a republican Wink OBAMA FTW!)
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:46 am

CoolKidX wrote:
KenCat you know, like 70-80 years before this time, in my country you HAD to vote, otherwise you get a ticket xDD

But why is McCain a racist??

(Nope i'm not a republican Wink OBAMA FTW!)

lmao I just love how you don't ask about the fascisms of both of them, but the racism of one of them.

Well, there's a great saying that goes like "silence is more violent than physical violence itself". In other words, McCain is not speaking out against people using RACE to vote (and not policy) -- he's gaining from the fact that a lot of voters are voting based off of skin color, not policy.

lol But then again, practically no one is voting based off of policy. ha
If they were,
Mike Gravel would have the Democratic nomination.
Ron Paul would have the Republican nomination.
Nader would be known as running Independent,
McKinney would be known as running for Green Party, etc.

It's not democracy when you're voting for one of two people that the biased media pays attention to. =/
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:36 am

national socialist.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:28 am

what appeals to you about the systematic annihilation of a group of people, simply based on their ethnicity...?
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:40 am

Absolutely nothing
but i would rather be under national socialism than fascist control.
and that was the question
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:15 am

why is national socialism better than fascism?
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:39 am

calinis wrote:
why is national socialism better than fascism?

fascism is corporate state
at least in national socialism you would have free market, not as corporate or militariastic (usually).

and this is "which would you rather live in" not "which do you support"
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:58 am

national socialism isnt capitalist at all, nor is fascism in general.

what do you mean its not militaristic...?

but national socialism IS fascism, its just specific. and with fascism comes glories to a former period, usually combined with nationalism, militarism, devtotion to the state and the ideal man. ns ties all those together.

but, if given the choice, i'd ratehr live in mussolini's italy because, although not ideal, i dont reckon he attempted to kill all other ethnic groups.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:19 am

Never said it was capitalisic though, calinis.

It's not as militariastic in the state of it, fascism is more militariastic than any type of government.


National Socialism = Not Fascism, it's a branch of it, yes, but a better evolved branch, but its still not as good as Bonaparty!

Mussolini was a asshole. Sorry, but all he did was sit back and let Hitler do what he did, he didn't try to stop him nor assist in stopping him, he helped him. They were both bad, but were talking about economically which i would rather live in, i would rather live in a semi-free state than a totally corporate dictatorship.
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:12 pm

but mussolini protected italian jews! or at least that's what my teacher told me, i didn't go check...i should though...hm...

also, i thought for sure that national socialism was...like stalinism, socialism in one state and all that noise O.o;;

fascism is corporatism, which is a form of capitalism.....one of the other forms is free market capitalism lol ^_^

i'd say national socialism though.....just seems better....

however, if we are talking between hitler (he took over the national socialist party basically and absorbed a whole bunch of others....his rise to power is a lot more complicated than people are usually taught in schools) or mussolini (CREATED fascism), dude, mussolini was way better: he made the trains run on time!
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:21 pm

He protected jews, did you check the other races he massacered? Maybe you should. And no, he really didn't protect them, he just let hitler do what he wanted, and just kind of let the refugee jews in Italy, he was a help, but also a villian for siding with Hitler. Italy was like the backbone of the war, but also the spy, who helped the refugees. So i hold him alittle above neutral, and hitler is alittle under neutral.

National Socialism = Socialism. Not stalinism. Stalinism is communistic, while National Socialism is Authorian Right, big difference.

and ty, your now my long lost cousin!
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:31 pm

okay lol, i won't bother, mussolini is kinda automatically my enemy for creating the archenemy of anarchists: fascists ^_^;; or maybe i will...so i can be all "wtf, where is the stuff about mussolini, you bastards, he killed quite a lot of people!" in history class...

lol, well, i don't think of stalinism as communist, because communism is inherently internationalist, while stalinism is nationalist....so i think of it as a different branch of socialism ^_^ but that's just me

oh, your welcome lol, i can't wait to discuss your views more, cousin!
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:40 pm

discuss your views? you mean beat them out of me? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:41 pm

lol, well, i hope i don't have to go that far! bwahahah! (jk)

surely you are more forthcoming than that?
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:44 pm

umm what do you mean forthcoming? Sorry..my English isn't the best
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:51 pm

ohhh sorry lol, i meant that i can't wait to talk about politics with you...

and by forthcoming, i mean...more open, likes to talk about politics =]
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:12 pm

Oh. Well thanks a lot now i look like an idiot. (No JK) lol!
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PostSubject: Re: National Socialist or Fascist?   Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:18 pm

lol sorry! XD
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